> Source: https://www.ema.ai/podcasts/ema-fireside-chat > Title: Proving AI Agent Business Value: Why HR Must Lead > Description: Watch IDC’s Neil Ward-Dutton with leaders from Ema, Siemens Energy and EX Labs on proving the business value of AI agents, and why HR must lead the shift. # Ema Fireside Chat October 14, 2026 53 Sec Watch Now About the Podcast ### Featured Speaker Swati Trehan COO, Ema Sven Köhler Data Domain Manager Finance, Siemens Energy Neil Ward-Dutton Research VP, AI and Automation, IDC Volker Schrank Founder, EX Labs ### Summary Most organizations now have AI agents in production. Far fewer can prove the business value those agents deliver. Neil Ward-Dutton calls that gap the value chasm, and closing it takes more than better technology: it takes rethinking how work, roles and structure fit around AI. Watch Neil Ward-Dutton (Research VP, IDC), Swati Trehan (COO, Ema), Sven Köhler (Data Domain Manager Finance, Siemens Energy) and Volker Schrank (Founder, EX Labs) in a fireside chat on what it takes to move from running AI agents to measurable business impact, and why HR needs to lead that shift. ## Ema Fireside Chat Here's what to expect in the podcast: - Why most organizations running AI agents still can’t measure the value they get - How to start with the business problem, not the technology - The difference between automation and transformation, and where humans fit when agents orchestrate the work - Why reshaping structure, capabilities and culture around AI is HR’s work ## Related Podcasts [ Mindset Behind $50B in Revenue | The EO Channel Watch ](https://www.ema.ai/podcasts/mindset-behind-50b-in-revenue-the-eo-channel)[ When AI Becomes a Colleague: Rethinking Work, Talent and HR Watch ](https://www.ema.ai/podcasts/when-ai-becomes-a-colleague-rethinking-work-talent-and-hr)[ Agentic AI ft. Ema's Surojit Chatterjee Building Agentic AI for the Enterprise | Decoding AI, Seed to Scale Watch ](https://www.ema.ai/podcasts/building-agentic-ai-for-the-enterprise-decoding-ai-seed-to-scale)